...For those who
had, will be added
Interview with: Rev.Peter
Taken From: Mission News
web by: Eddy Sriyanto
This is the interview with Mr.Peter Tjondro on
the June 29th ,2005 at 9.30 p.m
do you mean about chairos for the nation's transformation, Sir
Actually, the chairos that I meant
is for me. This year is the chairos year for me, personally.
Not for the nation's transformation. Particularly for MissionCare
because after passing several tests, I feel that the burdens
of MissionCare has already stucked. Suddenly, I caught the God's
heart about Aceh. That was the way of God to tast in the latest
before the chairos. We are talking about Luke 19 : 11 - 27,
that talking about 3 things of the chairos through Mina's tales.
When we looked at the blessings rightly so will findthe chairos.
Chairos or God's time. Mr.Zig Ziglar talked about the preparation
meets the opportunity. The opportunity is the chairos. The preparation
is that I told is about Mina has 3 things, when we looked at
the blessings rightly, our attitude is to give thanks, becoming
the first step that the chairos will come. The first thing,
that the blessings must to be thankful. When we cannot to thankful
for our blessings yet, we enjoy our blessings today. In our
entirely lackness, we decide to thank for what God give. The
chairos will never comes -up. For example, that miana. Ten persons
who were given the same mina but only one person worked hard
because he was thankful for that mina. The second, the blessing
is the responsibility.
responsibility do you mean, Sir?
is to thankfull and after he did that because of the responsibility.
When we were blessed by God that means responsibility. How much
our blessing that becoming our responsibility. Mr. Kohn Maxwell
told that someone's gratefulness to be analyzed by his responsibilities
not by his big or small occupation, not seen by his richness
or poorness but from his responsibilities. Even when you become
'the less blessed' person but you responsibled for that 'little
blessing', for God you have 'the potency' to become 'a great
person'. So, when one mina produced ten, what did God say, now
you will lead ten cities.
gave 10 gifts because we received it as the responsibilities
so the blessing will be added by God. In Luke 19:26, that is
the climax of the word 'chairos', for who is having I will give,
I will add to. It means, that who had the responsibilities,
who had thankfulness. For the example, I had experience. I had
ever given the exdresses, I thankful for that. Never mind, the
important thing those were not torn, even if I could bought,
those were I wore. But, actualy the person who had gave felt
happy that the things matched for me. After that, he bought
for me again and again, for that I was thankful.
the third, is faithfulness. Actually ,the mina is the tst. God
said, very good my servant because you have already being faithful
in the small matter, now I will give you the big responsibility,
so for God when is the chairos, is when we are faithful. David
was being tested by God with watching over two and three sheep
but he fought with the lion and the bear as his responsibilities.
the chairos is not being realized only as the God's time but
there is a preparation?
Yes, that was just mentioned, God will not give
His time before ready. So that, when Jesus met His time before
ready. So that, when Jesus met His mother in the wedding at
Cana, He told, "Mother, my time is not ready", but
what that Mary (Jesus' mother) did, she ordered the staff: "Please,
for what He command for, do it." God knows His time, that
Mary just preparing, waiting, not being apathetic but active.
(The Cana's wedding is the wedding where in that occassion Jesus
did the miracle by changed the water to be wine).
far, in that situation Mary knew what will be happened or just
followed what Jesus said?
Surely, because God was not said 'no'. Just only
'My time is not ready'. And God knew Mary's heart. God will
not allow the temptation over the human strength. These principles
of the Bible that are very important. So, for me, when God ordered
me to build a hospital in Aceh. God want to test me. When I
took in charge of that, evidently for today, many of foreigner's
institutions begin to involve.
much the fund at Mr.Peter to build that hospital?
For that time, was twenty million rupiah
Actually, is that
enough to build?
Is very very not enough, but I tried to catch
from the humanity side. How pity they are! We struggled for
Is that also
the responsibility that you have already mentioned, Sir?
Crrectly, and I had 'SMS' to my friends and finally,
In the beginning,
you told that MissionCare has already stucked, do you want to
Yes, the word
of 'has already stucked' meant like this, that I saw in this
term MissionCare was running normally, there's no 'jump'. I
want there is 'ajumping'. For this time, only maintenance. I'm
not a person of maintenance, I'm a type of person who want to
build, to breakthrough. If, I could not to maintain, must be
somebody else. I open a 'PI Post' (the evangelism field), it's
O.K. for me, but don't let me be a pastor. So ,it's the time
for me, but we don't know about God's time.
Aceh, is there anything else to be done as a responsibility?
become chairos' point and that chairos' point evidently not
only for MissionCare but also for MissionCare Solo, that is
for two years was stopped because have no money. Evidently,
Aceh took a courage. And until now, still running. Aceh's project
is an international's experience for me. People begin to trust
me because can handle project in Aceh very well. This 2005 year,
it mean there is ten years more as my responsibilities to 2015.
So, when I begin to bring about WorldCare, everywhere people
caught that matched with transformation. All of the people became
knowing what is transformation, all the people also became confused
how to begin a transformation. That always announcing is praying.
So, evidently when transformation comes up, people hear about
my ministries. For along time, not to be publicated.I'm also
not being publicated with my projects. I enjoyed my projects
because I had money with that and I didn't want to be confuse
with any of national projects but 'have no money'. Suddently,
people begin to respond. That's the chairos. The transformation
must begun with a movement.....Aceh's movement, for me, Aceh
is a momentum that changes everything, if God opened Aceh so
that 'the Good News' can be preached like that. It means God's
time for us to transform all things.
in one side, besides Aceh now appeared other disasters like
Exactly, now if people faced the disaster, people
just questioning. Thus, seem that the barometer is MissionCare.
I didn't want to do the works that obviously God didn't order.
Because there are 'other parts of body'.
need the fund, the hospital in Aceh need the fund also, other
activities in Missioncare always need funds, how to make all
things can survive even more staffs to be involved? From where
That is, begin from the chairos, once again,
if God opened, there's no others that can close. People begin
to see this project, what's that, so people begin to see from
that . For me, is not the way to get money. But when our project
being evaluated by other people as successful, people will trust
with our lives so idealism will be formed. But before we can
win our lives. That you who had the idealism will be judged
by other people. Actually, the chairos is in every men. But
only the man is ready or not.
The second, have the faith or not for the chairos
will come in his life. Since formerly,with what in Solo, I encouraged
myself. I told as I felt I have already the blessing, but only
not the time to connect. And like yesterday, two hundreds people
gathered, only by SMS, I brought the presentation and many of
the people want to help, many of them want to involve. God'
time begin to come. (In the afternoon, mr.Peter Tjondro has
just arrived from Solo by flight, and just had the meeting with
the members and the relation of Missioncare in Bangsri village,
2015 still ten years ahead. For this time, many
people that felt 'apathetic' with anything that seem more 'ahead'.
Many of them only thought of 'what in front of their eyes'.
How about your opinion about this matter. Life will end when
we stop dreaming. We are going into the ending-level. For me,
the year of 2015 is the motivator to do anything that God gives
me today. So, the life will end when you stop to dream. For
me, the year of 2015 is in front of my eyes.
Sir, you had
a dream that in the year of 2015, Indonesia will be prosper.
How to move the people to become synergy, maybe the pastors
or the public-figures together in the direction of the transformation?
When people had seen to a small transformation.
For the example, mina. From one mina became ten. The master
trusted that the servant would able to lead ten cities. Don't
ever think that you will get 'big success' if you never got
'small success'. Your smallest responsibility, is to be faithful
to small case, to be thankful with the small thing is very important
because how much God gave the responsibilities depend on your
attitudes to the small. Small is the easiest